Not invaded by ice zombies nor terrorized by dragons but the War inspired the series. Yet, you can also see Edward IV in Robb Stark, as a young king who upsets a marriage pact to wed for love, and who has never lost a battle (though ultimately losing his crown). Discuss and debate, anything related to War of the Roses … I don't have time to pull up everything, but did Martin ever mention that he was basically writing the Wars of the Roses? With Marie Bouvet, Dan Jones. i mean, are the showrunners planning to make a totally unexpected guy like gendry to touch the lightbringer sword in a desperate time and all of a sudden the sword glows red?? Henry VIII’s one-time Lord Chancellor, and later victim, Sir Thomas More described the court politics as “a king’s game, and for the more part played on scaffolds.” The War of the Roses was a civil war, but as with all conflicts of this kind, civil is a staggering misnomer. It is a safe place regardless of where you are in the story. my subreddits. henry descended matrilinealy to house lancaster and he was a tudor. all in all, i think such an ending would satisfy most of the supporters of various houses. Based on George R.R. Weiss and David Benioff, the show is now part of a long tradition of borrowing themes from the War of the Roses, both the historical and the fictional. At the heart of Game of Thrones is the game of medieval politics. It is just as exciting, dynamic, dramatic, and violent as … now who was this henry?? They have not announced anything after the blood pack, after all. Ideas such as "kingslaying" and its taboo were also central to the WOR era, as the unprecedented murder of an anointed monarch, Richard II (Aerys Targaryen at the hands of Jaime Lannister), is the basis of the conflict in the first place. Isn't the War of the Roses the inspiration for the Game of Thrones universe? Last night’s Emmy nominated episode paved the way for what may be Game of Thrones’ last battle: the battle against the Night King and the white walkers. In terms of predicting the outcome of the books, I think it's interesting that the ultimate "victor" was Henry VII, or Henry Tudor, who crossed the English Channel (Narrow Sea) to "reclaim" the throne of his ancestors. It’s hard for me to look at this and see anything but a red dragon and a white dog, which means I struggle to see anything but Jon. Martin’s book series A Song of Ice and Fire, Game of Thrones tells the story of the struggle for power by rival families in the continent of Westeros. They only had to deal with Richard iii. So I was looking at history stuff, and I noticed several parallels between the Game of Thrones series and the Hundred Years' War and the Wars Of The Roses in European history. The court factions between the Lannister and Stark sympathizers, and then later the Lannisters and Tyrells, generally captures the atmosphere of court under Henry VI. now we all know the symbols of corresponding houses in game of thrones. Post spoiler tags are: [No Spoilers], [Spoilers], or [Leaks] News and discussions relating to George R. R. Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire" novels, his Westeros-based short stories, "Game of Thrones" and all things ASOIAF - but with particular emphasis on the written series. edit subscriptions. also, now more and more youtubers and other game of thrones theorists and plot leak fictions are coming out and saying that gendry is the son of cersei and that, he is the trueborn son of robert and cersei and the true heir to the iron throne. My theory is J+D = Ending. In fact, it was widely believed at the time that that Richard II's "kingslayer", Henry IV, was cursed because of his actions, something even he himself was wont to say. Team Sansa though. So I was looking at history stuff, and I noticed several parallels between the Game of Thrones series and the Hundred Years' War and the Wars Of The Roses in European history. so gendry and sansa ruling together would end the family fued that plagued westeros for years and establish peace and stability to it. Game of Thrones is a curious mix of elements. Alex Gendler illustrates how the historical conflict known as the Wars of the Roses served as the basis for much of the drama in Game of Thrones. George RR Martin worded the title of this novel very careful: it is no coincidence the first word is game. The battle of Towton in … Kingmaker: Game of the 15th Century English Civil War [BOX SET] (Avalon Hill, 1976) Kingmaker sets in the shop Kingmaker at the WB Reference site The game is based on the premise that the powerful Noble families used the Lancastrian and Yorkist princes as pawns in a greater game of gaining control of England. If you are really really knowledgeable you can predict certain things in advance. HBO’s hit television series, Game of Thrones, is based on A Song of Ice and Fire. The red dragon, the ‘Welsh dragon,’ was used by Henry Tudor as a battle standard (and famously by King Arthur too) and the white greyhound is the symbol of House Tudor, hence this coat of arms. We’ll explore these and other interesting facets of history being placed on the show very soon too! A reddit for Paradox Interactive's game War of the Roses developed and created by Fatshark. Henry VI's son is executed as a young boy (17) before he can become king, and the Yorks replace the Lancasters. ( i dont think jon and dany would survive the series). The War of the Roses and just some of its influences on Game of Thrones. I think it's hard to argue that any one character embodies one historical figure completely; rather, it seems that general themes and events from the Wars of the Roses are grafted onto the GOT universe. Written by D.B. Eddard Stark fought in wars with Robert Baratheon, and became Hand of the King and Lord of Winterfell, but refused to style himself as a king. Sound familiar? There are even minor details that are borne out in the books, such as duplicitous vassal lords and even one lord who sends each of his sons to fight for a different faction thus maintaining the veneer of neutrality (Swann). I love the War of the Roses period in England (1450-1483 or arguably 1525). Aerys II Targaryen is often referred to as "The Mad King", Henry VI was kept alive in imprisonment to avoid having his son rule, and became the last of his line. Right off the bat, there are many similarities in both Shakespeare’s plays of the War of the Roses and Martin’s War of the Five Kings. So what other parallels are there? for example, westeros looks like british isles, war of the 5 kings resembles war of the roses. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the gameofthrones community. what if tyrion's secret deal with cersei is actually to kill dany and make gendry the king? Richard Duke of York was going to replace Henry VI but lost a power struggle to Cercei Lancaster (I mean Margaret Lannister of Anjou) and was beheaded in London. GRRM has explicitly said that he based GOT on the Wars of the Roses. Posts outside the content scope are removed. Some of these include. In both Game of Thrones and the Armagnac-Burgundian war, what began as a political rivalry during a struggle for … This also means that if Game of Thrones follows history’s suit, Daenerys and Jon Snow (Kit Harington) may have a future together. Beginning around 1377, medieval England was shaken by a power struggle between two noble families, which spanned generations and involved a massive cast of characters, complex motives and shifting loyalties. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjO55pKuBo4. I have come across references to a place called blackwater, a high ranking family called Tyrrell, a weapon called wildfire, and even if you turn the map of westoros upside down, there is Ireland almost exactly. Follow. now look at his coat of arms,theres a dragon to the left, a dog to the right and lion above the crown. Beginning around 1377, medieval England was shaken by a power struggle between two noble families, which spanned generations and involved a massive cast of characters, complex motives and shifting loyalties. They clashed with blood and iron on the battlefields - but the real wars were complex, personal power struggles played out in private. Spoilers must have warning. the movie was crap, but the scene in which arthur lifted the sword from the rock and unleashed its magical powers was pretty wonderful. Three interesting things about Henry Tudor: 1) His banners featured a red dragon in the decisive battle of Bosworth field, where he won the crown; 2) His claim to the English throne was actually derived through a bastard line, the Beauforts; and 3) He sealed the legitimacy of his reign by marrying the York princess, Elizabeth, the courtly elder sister of the two vanished princes. I'd love to see more details on this. :P. Tyrion's chain is based on a similar event in medieval China. Henry Tudor / Daenerys Targaryen. Henry VI's actual son, Edward of Westminster, wasn't executed but killed in battle, at Tewkesbury, which secured a Yorkist monarchy until 1485. baratheons are targaryens as well. In the turbulent formative centuries of early Europe, power-hungry family dynasties fought for domination of the continent. while i am not saying that ending of game of thrones would be definitely by uniting the fueding houses as in war of the roses, i see a striking parallel to king henry vii in game of thrones. this is the coat of arms of king henry the seventh, who ruled over england after the end of the war of the roses. Now would be the perfect time for it, imho. Game of Thrones Season 8 is going to be nuts. Yes, I think Gendry is more important than what most people think. I know that GRRMartin said he was inspired by medieval dynastic power changes, but is he specifically writing the War of the Roses? The events that followed would What other similarities do the two have? (But if I was wrong I guess I wouldn't brag about it). Wars in history are often looked at as decisive conflicts, however, the War of the Roses, like Games of Thrones , shows us that their outcome is often uncertain, and full of characters with complex personalities , shifting loyalties. This recap looks at the history behind a few key scenes and their historical basis. so henry married elizabeth of york and then established a new house named tudor, thus establishing peace over weseteros.. er .. british isles. A realistic medieval combat game. Beyond the War of the Roses, Martin draws on other histories for different groups within the story. Can you elaborate more on the Tyrion-China parallels? Some of these include-A mad king. Sound familiar? I get d standing for dany, is the j Jorah, or Jon? this is the coat of arms of king henry the seventh, who ruled over england after the end of the war of the roses. I still am kinda rooting for her I guess. War of the Roses was an action hack and slash video game developed by Fatshark and released by Paradox Interactive.The game was set during the Wars of the Roses which took place in England during the 15th century. Players… The Dothraki are almost an identical copy to the Mongol Empire. How Game of Thrones Paralleled Wars of the Roses. The Wall is based on Hardrian's Wall. Aerys Targaryen was considered mad and became less and less popular until infamously being slain by or Ser Jamie "Kingslayer" Lannister. The Red Wedding is the Glencoe Masacre and the Black Dinner combined. /s, Low background is exactly how the Tudors won the war of roses. as you know, game of thrones has many parallels with british isles and war of the roses. Henry VI was mentally unstable, and many people hated him. also, it is also possible that gendry might adopt the child of jon and dany. With both Game of Thrones’ Walder Frey and his possible real-life counterpart Richard Neville, Earl of Warwick, it always seems to come back around to marriages. Edit: This comprehensive video fleshes this out a bit more. -A mad king. Henry VI was mentally unstable, and many people hated him. -Edmund of Langley, First Duke of York, was involved with the capture of Henry VI. What characters are which? ), Sansa to play some role in the GOT endgame. In particular, Martin drew heavily from the War of the Roses… GRRM seems to have drawn as much inspiration for game of thrones from Irish history also. Joffrey appears on other lists of Game of Thrones characters like most satisfying death, worst king and nastiest little thing but he, and his mild-mannered brother Tommen appear in this list as another of George R R Martin’s little thought experiments: what if the princes in the tower had lived but that was a bad thing. GRRM pretty much took all events in GOT from something similar in history and weaved a story around them. so guys, what do you think?? On the one hand, the show explores real-life topics such as social hierarchies, war, and politics. * The dearly departed of Game of Thrones season 5 Now TED educator Alex Gendler illustrates in a video how the historical conflict known as the Wars of the Roses … Irish history is fascinating. Map of the War of the Roses ( Sillysoft.net) Game of Thrones "Borrows" From History . Real Game of Thrones - War of The Roses Documentary - English History Best DocumentaryWonder where Game of Thrones takes inspiration for its plot? Eventually a distant relative Henry Tudor comes from overseas with an army and unites the two houses by marrying a noblewoman from the other faction. lannister supporters would be satisfied, targ and stark supporters would be satisfied and baratheon supporters would be satisified. house baratheon founder orys was a valyrian and a rumoured targ bastard like the blackfyres. Alex Gendler illustrates how the historical conflict known as the Wars of the Roses served as the basis for much of the drama in Game of Thrones. Once again the rulers of Westeros’ houses have changed and new alliances have formed. let me know in the comments section, The coat of arms tell us that Dany (the dragon) and The Hound (the dog) will get married with Tyrion (the lion) officiating at Rosby (the ermine) while the Tyrells stand as the wedding guests (the roses), Gendry and Salsa will have a girl called dogface. When creating his highly detailed fantasy world, George R. R. Martin based much of Game of Thrones on medieval European history. In the Shakespeare plays there is a widely believed curse on the office of Duke of Gloucester - throughout the plays quite a few Dukes of Gloucester come to bad ends. Red Wedding is based on the Black Wedding. Problem is, looks like the dev's focus right now is to embellish the campaign. Whether due to geographical proximity or diverging ideologies, civil wars are often the bloodiest and most devoid of mercy. Cookies help us deliver our Services. It was released on 2 October 2012. Edit 2: I tagged it "all spoilers", but I haven't seen Season Five yet, or even finished Season Four. The epic HBO series based on George R.R. In George R.R. After the War of the Roses — the history that loosely inspires Game of Thrones — the 08:22 reigning Tudors combined the red & white rose symbols that the houses of Lancaster and York The Tudor house went on to rule until 1603. This parallels the Lord of Harrenhal in Game of Thrones. Like in Game of Thrones, the Armagnac-Burgundian war began as two powerful families struggled for power and authority when the crown was weak.In Game of Thrones, the war began just after Robert’s death with a boy king.In France, the war began while the king was insane. I decided to take a look back at The real history that influenced A song of Ice and Fire and Game of Thrones. Littlefinger is also clearly the Earl of Warwick, aka Kingmaker. Both deaths started wars; Henry VI's started the Wars of the Roses, while Aerys Targaryen's started Robert Baratheon's rule and Robert's Rebellion. Press J to jump to the feed. Game of Thrones (2011-) has now become a fictional world we all desire about being a part of! Content must be relevant. also, what if gendry is actually the prince that was promised? When the Tudors made their move there was very few to no Lancaster’s/York’s left. so what if gendry actually marries a stark like arya/sansa? Redditors unable to follow the [sub's rules](http://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/w/posting_policy) are banned. http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/siege_london_1471.html. Beyond the cast of characters, though, Game of Thrones draws upon another dominant theme in the Wars of the Roses: its sheer, inescapable brutality. Richard Plantagenet, 3rd Duke of York, was killed at Wakefield by Lancastrian troops, after securing a position as Henry VI's heir. Family is turning against each other and shifting alliances. Tyrion's chain is based on a similar event in medieval China. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. They laid low until everyone else had literally killed off everyone else. As is its culture and folklore. To me the siege of King's Landing (the chain, wildfire) seems to based on the siege of Constantinople in 717. Be legal and respectful to others. similar to the arthur scene?? In my own research I've even come across a high king of the North who was invited to his enemies wedding where he was betrayed and slain. Marriages define the men, could enrich them, and did lead them to betray the leader to … Feel free to ask questions, post game information and videos. There's a lot of Scottish history in there too, for example: The Wall is Hardian's Wall, built to keep out us Scottish "wildlings". Other parallels are more straightforward, such as Bran and Rickon as the disappearing "princes in the tower,' or Cersei as the calculating and ruthless Margaret of Anjou, mother of the cruel Lancastrian prince Edward (Joffrey). Behind stony castle walls was a world of strategic alliance, adultery, plot, treason and murder. Once Henry VI was killed, he returned to England to become Protector of England, but never actually claimed the throne. But this exciting scenario actually happened in England in the 1400s, when multiple claimants to the throne stepped forward. Also it seems like you really know your history, commenting on a post that I made six months ago. If so, can we safely guess who will win? Oh, the beautiful children! We have three main rules. Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire books brought us so many good times: Tyrion slapping Joffrey, Arya baking a Frey pie, Cersei scooching past the Hound and the Mountain… What’s a bereft GOT fan to do? The other elements represented were symbolic of other things such as marriage etc so it’s really the red dragon and the white dog that are symbolic of Henry himself here. Also, an interesting side note is that Henry VII's reign was plagued by impostors claiming to be one of the vanished princes or their cousin...faegon anyone? Welcome to my blog about the historical events that may have inspired George RR Martin’s Game of Thrones – specifically events from the War of the Roses. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Press J to jump to the feed. The War of the Roses and Game of Thrones May 5, 2019 By Grant Hurst Leave a Comment What can history tells us about the HBO series Game of Thrones, and how it could end? Martin’s “A Song of Ice and Fire,” the book series that inspired the HBO show “Game of Thrones,” many different parties are vying for the throne of Westeros. Learn about the real history behind Game of Thrones! also, we all know about gendry's friendly relationship with arya. So, if GRRM were to stick to history, I could see strong cases being made for Daenerys, Jon (or other bastards! The TED video does an excellent job listing the parallels. This is a place to enjoy and discuss the HBO series, book series ASOIAF, and GRRM works in general. GRRM has even said that Highgarden is Westeros's version of Burgundy, a duchy known for its chivalry, artistry, and wine during the WOR time period. Perkin Warbeck was an impostor who claimed to be the son of King Edward IV and gained support from people who thought he should be king. as many of you have already guessed, its gendry. i guess someof you have seen the movie arthur:legend of the sword. also, over the centuries 2 targ princesses had wedded into house baratheon, the last one being rhealle targaryen, the grandmother of robert baratheon. and even the name rhymes. For example, echoes of the infighting amongst the three York brothers Edward IV, George, and Richard III are found in the rivalry between Stannis and Renly following Robert's death. at that time, lancasters and yorks were in deep fued and enemity. ITT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjO55pKuBo4. and probably he can then start a new dynasty as well. It's the Black Dinner, not the Black Wedding. If you’re like me, you’re still in denial that Game of Thrones is over. I called the Battle of Blackwater by comparing it to the Siege of London 1471. From being horeslords to how the Khalasar operates to even sending the Khaleesi's back to HQ and even the pouring of gold on someones head is rumored to actually have happened by one of the Khans. Sounds like that could be where Aegon's story is headed. I was kinda sorta guessing from the beginning that Daenerys Targaryen would be the one to finish things. as you know, game of thrones has many parallels with british isles and war of the roses. I'm trying to figure out how deep it runs, which houses are which, and so on. Can we predict how the rest of the series goes by looking at history? so gendry has a lot of targ blood. for example, westeros looks like british isles, war of the 5 kings resembles war of the roses. Swati Suman. Words aren't enough to describe the thrill one gets right before a new season of the show Believe It Or Not, Game Of Thrones Is Inspired From The War Of The Roses! 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